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PostSubject: What do you think of each?   Tue 12 Jan 2010, 18:17

- Torcidas Organizadas (Brazil)
- Ultras (Europe)
- Hooligans (England / Europe)
- Barra Brava (Argentina)

Talk about all counts: organization, support of the team, fights, tradition, structure, beauty in the stadiums.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you think of each?   Tue 12 Jan 2010, 19:27

in my opinion...

Torcidas Organizadas

- Organization: the Torcidas Organizadas are structured as companies, with hierarchy, shops, gym, martial arts.
- Support of the team: Provide considerable support for his team, and several times the difference to the outcome of the match.
- Fights: Where are rolling a confrontation. But increasingly the authorities are hampering the fights.
- Tradition: Emerged in 1939
- Structure: All cheerleaders have president, vice-president, treasurer, among other top posts. Often, these positions are paid, being paid by the members of the official motion duly registered who pay tuition.
- Beauty in the stadiums: use of pole banners, giant banners, drums (original samba), fireworks, uniforms, chants, cheers and banners.

A GREAT SITE ABOUT TORCIDAS ORGANIZADAS: WWW.ORGANIZADASBRASIL.COM
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PostSubject: Re: What do you think of each?   Wed 13 Jan 2010, 11:33

Ultras

- Support of the team: with the Barra Bravas is to support their team unconditionally, for 90 minutes.
- Fights: Cases of violence involving the Ultras exist, but are not common.
- Beauty in the stadiums: provide a beautiful expetáculo in stadiums. Regarding beauty, perhaps the style of fans who stand more in this regard.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you think of each?   Wed 13 Jan 2010, 11:44

Hooligans

- Organization: Because they are a very targeted group and known for their violent attitudes are monitored and have a strong action of the authorities. Maybe that's why it spread a lot about the Hools.

- Support of the team: Não sao grupos com milhares de componentes, porém apoiam e seguem o seu time onde ele estiver.

- Fights: certainly is the kind of crowd that stands out in this regard. Maybe that's why the hools are so respected and has the highest reputation among the fans. There are several films that talk about the hooligan violence.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you think of each?   Sat 16 Jan 2010, 15:36

Ultras is a life style, and every real ultra lives with this life style to support their team for 90 minutes and if necessary fight for them. They provide the teams best choreography.

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PostSubject: Re: What do you think of each?   Sun 07 Mar 2010, 22:26

If you try it, you like it.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you think of each?   Fri 12 Mar 2010, 07:31

Ultras / Hooligan. Both Sides.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you think of each?   Sat 10 Apr 2010, 23:28

PCH|Purice wrote:
Ultras / Hooligan. Both Sides.
same we r hooligans in england stayl and we are ultras we have pyros and choreographys
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PostSubject: Re: What do you think of each?   Thu 15 Apr 2010, 21:05

definitely the best in Europe Serbs and Greeks ... Serbs have made their own unique style ... song of 90 minutes, choreography ... and most of all great organizations ... Deljie (Red Star Belgrade fans) are to a large expansion, while Partizan (Partizan Belgrade) for the last time any worse ... but are still in second place .. big problem is that the members of some firms use knives and guns .. hopefully that will change and some things resolved in a proper manner Fan ..
1.Delije (Red Star Belgrade)
2.Grobari (Partizan Belgrade)
3.The Firm (Vojvodina Novi Sad)
to continue is very difficult to say because the fan on the Serbian scene came to a huge expansion and many ''smaller'' firms have become much stronger compared to previous year
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PostSubject: Re: What do you think of each?   Sat 24 Apr 2010, 06:58

I do not like any of them especialy grobari becouse one of them killed DEJU LONCA (It is bull shit carryng gun at fan fight)
Several years ago I was unit with some grobari from Novi Sad to fight with Cigani becouse in that time there waqs nobody with balls in Firma,but now com diferent times
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PostSubject: Re: What do you think of each?   Sat 24 Apr 2010, 19:39



If someone can summarize it, it would be nice, in enlish.

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PostSubject: Re: What do you think of each?   Sat 23 Oct 2010, 20:19

From the post above: This is Bulgarian Version almost the same....

Ултрасите нямат имена за външния свят, само приятелите ги познават. Нямат лица, често качулката им покрива лицата, един шал на лицето и това е. Ултрасите нямат нормално облекло, не следва модите, пренебрегва ги. Когато се качва на влака, върви по тротоара дори когато не е облечен със символите на своя отбор, ЩЕ ГО РАЗПОЗНАЕШ. Ултраса атакува ако бъде атакуван, помага в нужда. Ултраса не спира да бъде такъв дори когато си махне шала или като се прибере след дълго гостуване, продължава да се бори 7 дни от 7. Ветеранът Ултрас дава пример на по-младите, и младите го уважават. Младите са горди, че могат да стоят около по-стар от тях, да се поучи от критиките и да се гордее от комплиментите. Когато обикновените хора гледат един УЛТРАС не го разбират, и той не иска да бъде разбран от хората, не дава обяснения за това какъв трябва да бъдеш. Всеки ултрас е различен, има ги тези които се обличат с материали на своя отбор или група, и тези които никога не са имали такива. Тези които се движат с групата и тези които са сами и са си лидери по рождение. Ултрасите са различни, но ги обединява любовта към своя отбор, това да могат да издържат под дъжда или студа за 90 или повече минути, обединява ги това, че се топлят пеейки с цяло гърло, обединява ги сигурността, която им дава приятелят, които му спи на рамото във дългия път, обединява ги разходката с гордо вдигната глава в поредния чужд град, обединява ги радостта от тръгването и умората от връщането, обединява ги поделеният сандвич и разделената цигара, обединява ги погледа, които си разменят след поредната ръкопашна схватка с противник, обединява ги манталитетът. Нещата, които ни обединяват, са тези, които ни разграничават от външния свят, отдалечават ни от разтревожените ни родители. УЛТРАС е изключение на правилото, e неочакваната изненада, когато мислиш, че си се разминал. УЛТРАС е дори и ръката която ти помага да се качиш в последния момент защото влака тръгва. УЛТРАС не е насилието, то е защитата от един живот изпълнен с насилие, от своеволията на полицията, от платените телевизии, от изгъзиците на новите генерации, от телевизионните предавания боклук, и преди всичко от репресията. УЛТРАС е и много още чувства неописуеми с думи, неразбираеми от обикновените хора, които предпочитат да живеят зад едно стъкло, отколкото да го счупят, за да навлезнат в реалността, студена и дъждовна....

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PostSubject: Re: What do you think of each?   Mon 01 Nov 2010, 00:46

Ultras have no names to the outside world, only friends know them. No people often cover their faces hood, a shawl on the face and that's not normal Ultras clothing fashions should not, ignore them. When I boarded the train, walk down the sidewalk even when it is clothed with the insignia of your team, you'll recognize. Ultras attack if attacked, help in need. Ultras continues to be so even when you remove the scarf or go home after a long visit, continues to struggle 7 days from 7. Veteran Ultras an example to younger and younger respect him. Young people are proud to stand around older than them, to learn from criticism and be proud of the compliments. When ordinary people watching a ultras do not understand, and he does not want to be understood by people who did not explain what should be. Each Ultras is different, it is those who dress with materials of your team or group, and those who have never had any. Those who run the group and those who are alone and their leaders are born. Ultras are different, but combines them to love their team so they can withstand the rain or cold for 90 minutes or more, combines them that singing is warm with whole throat, brings them security, which gives them a friend to him sleeping on the shoulder in the long road brings them walking proudly with his head in another foreign city, it brings the joy of the departure and fatigue return them together outfits sandwich and split a cigarette, looked at them together to exchange after another melee fighting with an opponent , unites them mentality. Things that unite us are those that distinguish us from the outside world away from us our worried parents. Ultras is an exception to the rule, e unexpected surprise when you think you diverge. Ultras is even hand that helps you climb in the last minute because the train departs. Ultras is not violence, it is the protection of a life filled with violence, arbitrariness of the police, the pay-TV channels from izgazitsite of new generations of television broadcasts, trash, and primarily on repression. Ultras is much more indescribable feelings in words, incomprehensible by ordinary people who prefer to live behind a glass than to break in to enter into the reality of cold and rain...
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PostSubject: Re: What do you think of each?   Sat 02 Apr 2011, 10:27

Ultra-Hool i will translate it when I'm back from work. Wink


EDIT: I see that Santino did it pretty much.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you think of each?   Sun 03 Apr 2011, 04:29

I have a translator gives the text of individual expressions of the ultras. meaning, in principle, understandable
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